Tuesday, July 24, 2007

Getting Into College: Entrance Requirements and Challenges

Many international students coming to the United States quickly discover that getting into a North American college or university is much harder than they imagined. Unfortunately, students often think that a few quick months at a language school should prepare them enough to pass the TOEFL test. The reality is that in addition to more time to digest and learn the language, classroom expectations and requirements can be very different. For example, some of my students are often shocked that to get an A in my class they need 94% in the class (very common requirement in the US), and that passing is at least 60%, not 50% as in their countries. So, please share your ideas on the subject of getting into a university in your country and the things international students might find surprising in terms of university requirements and classroom expectations.

Randall

73 comments:

wyh said...

In my country ,everyone who want to become an university or college student must pass the entrance exams .The exam are organized at a same time.I think we should have chance to join in examing at different time,so we may have more chance .
thank you

Bruno said...

Well, here in Brazil, those willing to get into a public university have to take a mandatory entrance exam called "vestibular", and depending on the subject they want to study, they need to get a very high score.
On the other hand, it is easier to get into private institutions, but they're usually quite expensive.

minh said...

Well, in Vietnam, the higher education is very hard to attend! You must graduate high school with the standard scores at least or higher!Depend on your scores,you'll be get into a quality university, college or not!If your score is very few, you could get into a private higher education

Mary said...

In my country to join collage and University you have to pass the
national exam. To join the government collage the required
point is a little higher than the private one. For certain majors like law and medical school you have to score a highest grade.

Anonymous said...

Hi, there. It is quite interesting to read through what the other country people think about their education in thier own country. I am from Japan.And I went to Uni in Japan for Bachelar degree and Australia for Mater degree.Compared with two country,I found out that Australia uni is very easy to get in and graduate. To get High score is , of course , difficult but just getting pass and graduate from uni is very easy compared with Japan uni.The hours for studying is just like Junior high in Japan, which means most of Junior high student can graduate from Australia uni. In japan, to enter Junior high, high school and uni are very very difficult And they have to study very hard for long hours. Even some student died of that because of too much pressure. Which uni you entered will decide your life, being poor or rich person in their life. In this point of view, you may understand how difficult to get in japan uni and how easy we feel to graduate from australia uni.But there is one point which we can discuss about japan uni. We have too much studying before uni and most of uni student don't study in uni.Frankly speaking, they think uni is 4 years holiday in their life because they have to work very hard after graduation. You guys must know how long and hard Japanese work.Then uni accept this situation. And then, they don't study at at all at uni. One day I wrote how to cook curry in economics exam and passed through.That was funny though.If I conclude this topic, just go to junior high and high school in your county and come to Japan uni. You don't need to study anything but still you can get higher degree and if you wanna be scholar or some sort of highr position, it is pretty easy.And after that, you can go back to your own country then get very good position in society. I am sure you gonna be rich and have sort of succesfrul life.

george said...

ezsjujfoHi, in my country Iran if you wanna study in government uni you have to pass a difficut national entrance exame called "Konkor".it's too difficult because it's quite free and students don't pay nothing for studing ,so every one likes studing there,but when they get in that's almost done ,and they graduated.Of course there are privet universities,but you have to pay a lot of money ,if you wanna study there.there is no guarantee for finding a good job after finishing because of so many graduated.

giang said...

in my country - Viet Nam, to get in to any uni or colleges, u have to take an madatory national exam and u have to get score above basic point. If not, u 'll fail and won't be allow to any uni or college. In my country, universities are better and more favorable than colleges.

Tzu-Ling said...

In Taiwan, every student who wants to get into university need to attend the entrance exam held by the government. Depending on your score, you can get into national unversities or private ones. Usually, national schools are better than pricates. However, commonly the private school is better than state school in USA. I was suprised at that when I first heard about the phenomena. However, not all state schools are behind the pricate ones. For instance, UC Berkeley is a nice school. Another differce btw Taiwan and USA is the tuition. Usually the national schools cost much less than private ones. Therefore, national colleges guarantee tlow tuition. However, in united states, some public schools are expensive such as Berkeley.

Anonymous said...

Hello! I live in Russia. In my country everyone can get free higher education at Goverment Higher Schools if he has the right stuff. First you must pass extrance exams as in many other countries and sometimes to be interviewed . But it's quiet difficult to get excellent scores. As for me I passed exams on maths, physics and Russian when I entered the University. State scholarship is a small amount of money so students have to work to earn their living. There is a joke that a student is always hungry and cold)).

snowwolf said...

In China it used to be very difficult to recevie higher education, but things become much better in recent years and the number of students who have the opportunity to enter college is increasing steadily.

Anonymous said...

In china is very difficult to getting into college or national famous university.First, every student who was gratudated from high school must pass the unitive exam which was hold by ministry of education.The exam was organized in all the country 23 provinces at the same time. But different area have different question test.In my oppinion,this point is not equal for all the students.If you can got high scores in the exam,then you have chance to choose the college or university which you want to go.higher score have more chance.but if you failed in this exam,you can't continue to have higher formal education unless you swing to the high school for study and take exam next year.this is one instance.another side is someone who study very hard in his/her high school and have excellent achievement in the exam, but he maybe can't get into the national college due to poor family can't afford the school tuition.then he or she must give up the good chance for higher education.

Anonymous said...

so in cuba , everybody has an opportunity for public university, but first the hight school students have to pass the entrance exams,by the way, in cuba there are not private university.

Alexi María said...

Hi Randall, how are you?
In Colombia when the students are in eleventh grade ( ultimate year of the secondary) do a public exam called "las pruebas Icfes". Many years before this exam was important for majoring in a public university or college, but not nowadays. Public university do its own exam and the students need to get the more higher scores.
The students that have money go to a private university and poor students (that is the majority in my country) due aspire a public university.
IN this moment there are many professionals that don't get any jobs.
The unemployment in my country is very high.
Alexi Durango Vásquez
Cartagena, Colombia

Anonymous said...

To get a degree and a better life/job it depends on your motivation. If you are really determined, you can make it anyway. Having money and high score after finishing high school you got only fast start to obtain a degree and a career. Otherwise it will take some time to prepare for Uni exams and find a whatever job for living and education. In both cases you have to study very hard after you passed the entrance exams.

lena said...

In my country, Korea
I need listening skill so this site help me .
thank you

shawn4066 said...

In Korea many students study english a lot but it doesn't help them when they study in America, because they can't speak fluently or understand native speakers.

G-Ah said...

In my country, have to graduated in high school. If they don't that, they try on special test for enter the university or college.
thank you.

채민 said...

in my country, korea
i need english listening skil
so this site will help me
thank you

gun said...

In my country,if you want to enter a good university you need to have a good score that is an admission examination because many good universities want a good score.

JINA said...

In my conutry, Korea, we uasually have to take a exam. That exam is national exam. So all of student take a exam at same date. If score is good, that student can enter the good uviversity.

Seung Yoon said...

In Korea, we need to get a good score from Korean SAT(Scholastic Ability Test) and university pick students, who are getting a highest score, and it makes students do infinity compete.

suhwee said...

In my country, alomost of students prepare the university entrance examination and high school grade.
the opportunity of this exam is only one in every year. so many students who want retest, wait a year.so we try preparing the exam perfectly. and high school grades very important too. therefore when we enter the highschool, we spend a lot of time to study.

G-Ah said...

If my country, have to graduated in high school. because if we don't have graduate duty, we can't apply to university or college. But, if they don't do that, they try to another test. Then they apply there. But, people usually graduate high school.

채민 said...

In my country South Korea.

MY country think important to english skill so now I'm inUSA.
I'm studing English.
I want to english conversation well. I believe this site help me.

thank you

jung said...

In KOREA, students have to do same exam for getting into college or university. That exam always
tests on every end of the year.
For entrance university, students are required to exam grades. Also students are required to grades at high school marks.

s,nb said...

I come from in Japan so,I am studying English in U,S right now.
I was suprised by this story because some of people did not take classes.They paid for our expensive tuition but do not learn our classes,I can not understand.
I saved for my class so,I think that I am going to go the university.In short,some of people had better to think themself.

Hien said...

in Viet nam, you have to complete the high school programe befor taking an national exam to get in a university or a college. There only one that national exam per year, you better choose a university suitable with your ability. And you have to compete at a high rate. It's easier to get in a private school.
If you graduate from a reputable university or college, you will land a good job easier.
Thank you!

Jason said...

I am a HK student and when you start studying Form 4 at school, you must choose the course about the liberal arts or science. Then you will be like joining a score competition. You in Form 5 should pass the HKCCE for continue Form 6. In Form 7 you should attend HKAL for getting into a university. Of course all subjects must be passed and should be averagely D grades. Sometimes, university requirements include performances of interviews and other specific requests.
Actually getting into universities is a hot competition in HK. Some classmates have well-done in some subjects but only one subject is failed, then study in universities will be doomed to failure. So everyone must work hard and have a good basic in Chinese and English.

Anonymous said...

It is lucky for me to find this website, It is very helpful for me, because my English is very poor

Mariana1709 said...

well in my country it´s not that much important to be in class as getting high scores in test. it doesn´t matters where you get the information as longs it´s rigth.

joedugo said...

Here in Colombia there are many universities publics and privates. butI think the public ones, are better, but it's a little complicated to studie in a public university, usually you must to do an admision test,and many people do the test. then you must to keep on with good notes, I feel that I'm lucky for studing in Univalle, because for me is one of the best universities here in my country.

johanna said...

I don't understand why those people think they can enter to college there easily if wherever you go, you must suppose there are entrance exams and you have to be good at.

morenita said...

in my country (Colombia) when young people finish the last grade 11th. everybody takes an exam designed by the government. its name is "pruebas de estado or Icfes"every person that wants to go the college, present this results (Icfes) for enter at the university.
every carrier takes the results that are necessary for itself.
In my carrier "foreign languages" the university organized other exam, that is the 30% the oportunity for enter at university for choise the best languages foreign students and preparate better the people that study this carrier.

stef said...

I'm a student at univalle which is a public university here in cali, colombia and is very hard to get in because is really great, has a lot of amazing teachers and it has a low cost.

Anonymous said...

In Colombia, the majority of people want to study in a public university because they have the reputation to be the best, it happens because of the exams that they make to us, and your score in the state proofe, depending on what you want to study is the level of exigence in certains subejcts.
And public university are very cheap too.

trang pham said...

i like the education system in United State. Now, international students can study college program that is easier for them to study the subject in English. Toefl is not required forcely unless student finish the ESl program of school. Besides, students have many chances to improve their study such as repeating the class to take the highest grade,or changing major in another field.I also like the way of study in America. It is comfortable. Students have many choices to fit best. Online classes, a various list of class timing, and so on.

Russell said...

In recent years, it's easy to get into college in Taiwan. In my point of view, the Government has to control the entrance requirements and quality of college students. This is because people in Taiwan can't land a job easily if he/she just graduated from college. (Almost everybody has a bachelor degree.)

Anonymous said...

In my county,Iran,all the peole who have finished their school want to go to university because of several reasons.first of all,they will get the higger position in the society.also,the boys are free for 2 or more years of joining to the military service.as you khnow ,in Iran,the boys at the age of 18 should join to the military service for 2 years exception those are accepted at univercity.next,they think they can find the better job,althoug it is not a fact.we have 2 kinds of university.the national and private university.for getting into the national univercity it is necessary to pass the dificult exam called konkur.at this univercity is no need to pay.and every thing is free.for the private on also we have the entrance exam but it is no as dificult as the first one.

marishka said...

if you want to enter a prestigious university in my country you must pass your exams with a really high score or to have much money/ powerful connections. And if you have neigher this nor that-STUDY,LEARN,MASTER etc. This way is for me! I'm doing it at the moment)I improve my English with the help of this site. Thanks for Randall)))

Anonymous said...

I obtained a bachelar degree in China and I'm a graduate student in France now. Personal view, there are many differences in higher education between China and France. Firstly, the entrance requirement is more strict in China than in France. The percentage of students who can attend higher education are 20% and 90% in China and France respectively. Secondly, it is easier to graduate from university in China than in France. Last but not least, the students have more freedom to choose the subject and causes that they like in France than in China. Now I'm preparing TOEFL. I'd like to pursue a PhD degree in Canada this year and then I can know about the Canadian higher education.
best regards

Anonymous said...

Well, here in chennai, those willing to join reputed college with having lesser marks had to pay more money to get the seat. The colleges in chennai has become business oriented. But for sure, We cannot expect quality education from chennai.As i dont want to mention those colleges, I request all the students who are looking for colleges not to pay huge amount for engineering seats.Instead, one can invest their money on business and grow.

hiếu thảo said...

well, here in Viet Nam, students want to enter the University who have to try their best, because the University exam is very hard and it's organized in the same time in whole country and after the graduating highschool exam. i think that's good, because it help chosing people with the level is not good, even good to enter the University.

Natacha said...

I studied in a public university here in Venezuela. It´s very difficult to enter. You must pass a exam very long and complicated. My university is the best in my country. Being a graduate of that university is an honor.
My university riceive a foreing students, but not many.

Ben said...

Hi, there
In my country, all high school students or someone who has a certificate of a high school diploma must take a SAT ("Suneung" in korean)to get into college. Some students who are good at sports, however, can enter a college without the exam.
In addition, many korean students are forced to study more than 10 hours a day to get into "SKY" like "IVY League"

vivaforever said...

Hi all, I come from VietNam. In my country, when you want to get into a college, first you have to graduate high school with required points, and then you take an entrance exam to apply for a university or college you like. The exam is hold once a year. You have to pass so many candidates in order to get into this university or college. Besides public uni we also have some private uni which anybody with a lower score can apply for.
I think the challenges of this examination is not due to its difficulty but stress that it puts on the candidates. Everybody wants to take this exam and can be a student of any uni and so do their parents, if they can not do it well, they fell too shy to meet other people.
So in my opinion, getting into university is not the only way in one's life. There are many other ways for each one to choose, the most importance is that they always do their best in the field they choose.

thuhien said...

In VietNam,students take the entrance exam into universities once a year, often in mid-summer, after the high school final exam. In the past parents often made decision for the uni which their childeren went to because they paid tutions and other school fees. But now many children work hard through school and most of them are people who land a job more easily in the future with their part time job experiences.

Anonymous said...

In my country, Brazil, There are public and private universitys. Is necessary to do a hard entrance exams. The entrance exam for public university is more disputaded, despite be more difficult than private. This happen because two facts, in my opinion: quality of education and to be free (is more expensive private university). A good alternative are scholarschip offered by government or own university. Thanks by oportunity of improve my english!

Carlos said...

This is exactly what happens. Most people think that study abroad is quite simple and fanny, after all, you are in a great country, probably more civilized than yours, and on your own, or without anyone to say what you get to do. But, start a new life is not that simple. First of all, you have to think about your day-by-day, in other words, YOU HAVE TO LIVE APART FROM YOUR COMPATRIOTS, unless you want to take twice the time or more to learn the language practiced there. If you don’t speak well and don’t learn to understand the ‘betweens’, you will never be the person you were in your home country, ever. You won’t be able to use your skills the same way, because, you will be limited to make things much simpler than it used to do in your country. People need quick answers and if you falter to respond, you will not find space to do what would really like to do. Another important thing is ‘think about your career, and forget about utopian advices’. Most courses want to sale and are not worried about your goals. Think about it. Don’t let the circumstances choose for you.

Anonymous said...

Hi Im Salvador, Most of the requirements that have been mentioned, seems to not be too different from here in Mexico ask to accomplish, the only difference that i percieve is that we just need 70% to pass the exam. Im in the IB Bachelar of Prepa Tec, with just one purpose, being graduated in that Bachelar. Once that i made it, i think seriously to go applying the admition test in Harvard.
Well, see you later

bebeyp said...

I had been work at the EMSM Program of U.S. University in my country. I think it is very difficult for common employer to get the enrollment of graduate program. It needs working experiences of several years and much tuition than program held in our country.
But if students pass the entrance standard, they will study hard for complete the degree. They have been hectic because they have to work and go to school at the same time.

Usama Nadeem said...

online studies have helped a great deal in development of individual skills of students and the entrance examinations determines that where student stands in the perticular subject.teacher-student relation should be friendly and a learning envoirnment should be created.student should be housed so that a competition can be generated.student should work part-time along with the studies in the related field as to gain experience and by this they can get some sort of economical help too..

hassan n hamza said...

In Pakistan ,everyone who want to become an university student must pass the entrance exams that is bit hard .The exam are organized at a same time.I think we should have chance to join in examing at different time,so we may have more chance .
REGARDS

Anonymous said...

In Pakistan to get admission in any university ,you have to pass an apptitude test and you have to get score according to the merit of that particular university. If not, you 'll fail and won't be allowed to any university. In our country, universities are better.we have to put lot of efforts that shows our hard work.due to which we can get admission in any good university.
regards
FARAZ AHSAN
HAMZA MASOOD

Anonymous said...

according to my opinion i would say that it is very difficult for students to get admission in a good university due to following challanges/problems
1:lack of educational institutes
2:large no of applicants
3:lack of scholarships
4:lack of awareness

Julianna said...

In my coutry, we have university private and public. For to enter in a public university it's necessary make a test. However, the chances are very small, because many people try it. So, some people don't have chance.

Anonymous said...

I try to get a college but here is to expensive and i dont have that oportunity so...i get to work

Marina said...

Hi,everybody!I'm from Russia. I gratuated philosophical department of Moscow University. When I entered the university I has to pass difficult exams. The number of vacancies in my major was limited. Five persons pretended to each one vacancy. But I was luckier other contestants. So I became the student of one of the most prestigious Russian uni.
My tuition was not very hard. But it was really interesting!

Anonymous said...

Hello,I am a student of Korea Universsty in Japan.
In my case,the entrance exams of our university are not difficult to pass.Everyone can get in our university if he or she were korean.
Our school is not particular about how inteligent the students are,but about how eager to become a true Korean.It means that the students are eager to study Korean, Korean history and culture or else as they don't know about their own country at all before getting in the Korean School because they was born in Japan.And there are many Koreans who are in the same situation.Someone who graduated from Korea University should become a teacher of Korean School in Japan.They are very important for Korean siciety in Japan because they are minority in Japan.

Anonymous said...

VAFLALY from Cote d ivoire

In my country, since there is no enough University for all the student, entrance requirements is difficult and very challenging. In my case, i have passed an exam involved 180 challengers coming from the better schools and only 80 persons have been short-listed regardless exam scores. That is because places are limited.

Best Regards

Anonymous said...

Hello,
in my country, the number of schools have increased greatly in recent years because more and more people - young and old - want to study for better career. Many new private schools, including universities, have been founded. But at the same time the degree requirements were reduced. Recently some schools scandals broke out because it have been found that some students had studied in a suspiciously short time or they copied diploma work. It was suspected that they have bought their degrees. So higher education in our country lost his former credit. Who has enough money and important acquaintances can´t study hard.

BB said...

When I was a high school student, about 20 years ago, I had to study hard in order to pass the Joint College Entrace Examination(Taiwan) and tried to get good grades. The higher score you got in that exam, the better or more famous university you could choose. I think that way is definitely fair for all students.
But it was abolished many years ago. The college entrance examinations or requirements have changed a lot in recent years. They focus on all aspects of students' ability and knowledge. Frankly speaking, they are very complicated.

Anonymous said...

Hello, I'm Ann!

well...of course every universite has demands for future students, but everyone has the same conditions - I mean variants of test are difficult in structure, but they are similar in level...so everyone can enter school if he is intellegent and smart enough, u even can recieve a scholarship if u r clever.

As for me - I don't like when rich, but stupid students can enter the prestige university for money - it won't increase reputation of this university...But unfortunately we live in capitalistic world and u can do for money what u want if u don't even have abilityes for that!

from Russia.

bee said...

hello everybody.
In my country ( vietnam), the study is very hard. We have to learn many thing. we have thirteen subjects and take part in many activities at the school and community. To study at the pulic university, the first you have to graduate the high school, after that you must pass the entrance exams and get a high marks. Because the tution in the public university is cheaper than the pravite university and its degree is more valid than one, so being to a student in there is difficult. If you have a score that is not suitable with request 's this university, you would not study at this school. And you can find another choice for yourself: college or pravite school.
in vietnam, student have to define for oneself the job in the future and the university has this major and be suitable with your ability. After that, you must try your best to learn well.
in vietnam, the university is the shortest road to get success.

Khasoob said...

Khasoob said:
Hi mis wendy
this story learn me how to know the diffirence between college life and work life and how to choess the best subject to study it at college , and think about futter work not happy work.

The Dark said...

it is a good story . it show school life then they talked about collage . I learned many things from this website and it's enough to improve you listening skills .


thank you ..^^..

Anonymous said...

Hi, I'm from Japan. We have the entrance-exam you have to hass to become a college or univrsity student. Every school has the exam once a year, mostly between January and March. Then every college or university starts in same time in April. Difficulty of the exams deffer depending on which college or university you want to go, and high ranked university's exam is abvioursly hard to pass.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

my name is Olaya :I want to talk about the difficulty of choose good college to reach to my goal in education and good life .many of these university need instrumentality

mostafa chbibi said...

Hi everyone,
in my country,Morocco, the difficulties of getting into an university depends on the section and department you choose.Some majors require a mandatory exam before selection,in which the candidate will be tested and evaluated so as to see whether he's eligible and competent to join the courses or not.While others are not too hard to get into.

Anonymous said...

in my country, Colombia to sign in the public university need a icfes's score(depending of career that want study) that is realized one time finalized the high school. on the other hand the private university doesn't ask the icfes's score, but this universities has a high cost.

Hồ Thị Thu Thảo said...

hello!my nam is Thao,I come from Vietnam
in my country, if you want to getting into any university or college, you must pass exam is called University Entrance Exam, each university will have a Score to choose their students.beside,after into a university environment,you'll meet a lot of challenges as hight tuition,espenses increasingly difficult,hectic of live...humh..and particular with me is majoring,because i'm a freshman of University of Economic Ho CHi Minh Ciy!so i must effort than what can be!

Anonymous said...

I think all depend about specific college; also it will depend about specific career that you want to study. In my country there is a lot of institutions some they have stringent requirements and is very difficult to get enter in they. However exist some institutions with easy access.

Aprajita Guha said...

Hi I am form India "Place of Education" In India we have entrance examinations to get admission in good university like IIT IAMS where a student can receive a good quality of education. There are many private institutes also where the entrance examination is not that tuff but those institutions are quite expensive. I feel there should be a common entrance examination for all the universities so that one can get admission on the bases of talent..thanks

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